Date: October 21, 2006

Time: 7:00 p.m. to 12:00 a.m.

Location:      Jesse James Farm

                   21216 Jesse James Road

                 Kearney, Missouri   64060

                   816-628-6065

Investigators on Scene:

Brenda, Dee Ann, Misty, Joyce and John, Denise (guest)

Attendees on Scene:

2 curators from the Jesse James Farm Museum, a reporter and photographer from the Kansas City Star, a free-lance writer and her husband and 5 additional guests invited by the museum.

Conditions: Rain / Fair

Temp: 42 degrees / 35 degrees

Barometer: 30.00 / 30.18

Humidity: 87% / 75%

Lunar Phase: New Moon, 0% full

Solar X-Rays: Normal / Normal

Geomagnetic: Unsettled / Storm

Wind: NW 14mph / NW 9mph

Evidence Collected:

Digital Photos Taken: 164

Positive Digital Photos: 2

35 mm Photos Taken: 72

35 mm Photos Positive: 1

Video: Several orbs were captured on video before camera malfunctioned

EVPs: 7 (See Reported Findings and Experiences for details.)

Brief Property Description:

Jesse and Frank James became two of America's most notorious legendary outlaws during the late 1800's. To some, they were considered heroes and were given refuge and safe harbor from law enforcement officials. One only needs to search the internet for story after story of the escapades involving these two men, some true, some only myths.

Jesse James was born on a September 5, 1847, in a log cabin located in Kearney, Missouri which is the focal point of our investigation. It is here that Jesse James and his brother Frank were raised and here where their mother, Zerelda James Samuel continued to provided a safe haven and place of comfort for her two sons.

The 3-room  log cabin was built in 1822 by James and David Groomer. In 1827 it was sold to Garrett Groomer who later sold it to a businessman named Robert Gilmer. Gilmer added a two story addition to the east side of the cabin. In 1845, a Baptist minister named Robert James and his wife, Zerelda purchased the log cabin to raise their growing family. The property included 205 acres of good farm land.

Rev. Robert James was a pillar in their growing community, helping to establish two churches in Clay County, one church in Ray County and William Jewell College. Being a minister, he soon felt the calling to go to California and preach the gospel to the gold miners. On April 12, 1850 , he departed from his farm, leaving Zerelda in charge, but shortly after reaching California , be was stricken with an ailment and died on August 18, 1850 . His body was never returned home and he was buried in an unmarked grave in California. This was the beginning of the many tribulations that the family would face.

Two years later, Zerelda married a neighboring farmer named Benjamin Simms. This marriage was short lived as Benjamin Simms was rumored to have been cruel to Zerelda's children. Before a divorce could be finalized, he was killed in a horse accident.

Zerelda then married again to Dr. Reuben Samuel and this marriage turned into a life-long commitment. Dr Samuel proved to be a good father to the James boys and he and Zerelda had a son whom they named Archie.

When the Civil War broke out, Frank James joined the Confederate Army. After being captured by the Union Army, he was paroled and later joined William Quantrill and his guerilla soldiers. This caused Frank to become a wanted man by the Union Army.

On May 22, 1863 the James/Samuel farm was raided by Union militiamen in an attempt to locate the whereabouts of William Quantrill and his guerillas. They beat and whipped Jesse until he was covered with blood and hung Dr Samuel several times, torturing him to the point of death which resulted in causing permanent damage to his brain. He barely survived the incident and was arrested and jailed. Later, Zerelda and her children are arrested and taken into custody. Zerelda was pregnant at the time and was forced to sign a loyalty oath to the Union in order to be released. These incidents proved to be the last straw for Jesse, and he soon joined Bloody Bill Anderson in riding with the guerillas. Jesse and Frank continued to ride with the guerillas until the close of the war.

After the war, for reasons known only to themselves and perhaps fueled by their hatred towards the Union government and the hardships brought on by their guerilla involvement, James and Frank became outlaws. Along with the Younger brothers: Cole, Jim, Bob and John, they took to bank and train robberies and became local legends. Some regarded them as heroes, comparing them to "Robin Hood" because often times they robbed from the rich and gave to the poor. The Pinkerton Detective Agency heavily pursued them and rewards were placed on their heads. It is unknown how many robberies that Jesse and Frank actually participated in because they were blamed for most all robberies in that time period, even when it would have been physically impossible for them to be near two places at the same time. Jesse and Frank continued their life of crime, successfully dodging the law.

Allen Pinkerton desperately wanted Frank and Jesse James. Their continued success at alluding capture by his detectives was an embarrassment to him. On January 25, 1875 , Pinkerton detectives surrounded the James house and threw a bomb through a window. Upon seeing the burning instrument, Dr Samuel mistook it for a turpentine ball and kicked it into the fireplace. The bomb exploded, causing fatal injuries to his son Archie and severely damaging Zerelda's right arm. Archie died the following day and Zerelda's arm was amputated up to her elbow. This incident fueled the anger of the local people and added to the sympathy for the James family. The Pinkerton Detective Agency was charged with the crime, but the charges were dismissed.

Jesse James was killed in 1882 and his body was returned to the homestead for burial. Zerelda and Frank both gave tours of the family farm until their deaths. Zerelda died in 1911 and Frank died in 1915. Frank's wife, Annie, continued to live on the farm until her death in 1944. The house remained in the James family until 1978, when it was purchased by Clay County and restoration work began.

For more information on the James Family, visit the " Missouri and The Civil War" section of this website or visit the "Friends of the James Farm" website at www.jessejames.org

Current Reportings:

E Internet reports indicate that staff members have reported seeing unexplained lights in the house after it has been closed up for the evening and hearing the sound of horse hooves in the woods along with rifle shots and hushed voices. Interviews conducted by MPR with staff members deny these reports, however they did admit to having feelings of being watched and/or being uncomfortable after dark. They also stated that visitors have reported capturing facial images in photographs.

Reported Findings and Experiences:

E One of the James Farm employees was sitting in the corner of the old kitchen by himself when he noted that the motion detector in the room kept going off. Being familiar with the security equipment in the house, he stated that the sensor was set to disregard possible animal intrusions and only triggered when something tall enough passed by. He also stated that he was not within the range of the motion detector when it signified movement.

E A sequence of noises was heard while team members and others were sitting in the old kitchen. This began with what sounded like 2 knocks on the door which led to the porch at approximately 10:50. This was soon followed by what sounded like a whistle coming from outside the house. (Note: all those present during the investigation were in the house at the time.) Brenda reported that she saw what appeared to be the shadow of a man in a hat peering around the corner of the window. The KC Star reporter took a picture of the window at approximately the same time. His photo appeared to have the image of a man standing there but he said that he thought it was a reflection of light. We did not get the opportunity to see the photo at full size. At approximately 11:05, a pen which was sitting on a guest book was suddenly tossed or flipped behind Dee Ann and the KC Star reporter. The guest book is located on a heavy wooden table beside the door leading to the porch. Neither Dee Ann nor the reporter had come in contact with the table or the book. After this incident occurred, we attempted to debunk the incident by jarring the table but were unsuccessful in making the pen fall. The table was very heavy.

E A possible EVP of a male voice was recorded in the cabin kitchen, saying what sounds like, "I'm lying to ya, I'm James Holt……." There was another word/words following this, possibly a last name,  but we have been unable to decipher it. A possible EVP of a female voice was recorded saying what sounds like, "You'll both need Sarah" while Misty was conducting her reading.

E Dee Ann reported smelling the scent of fresh peeled apples by the fireplace in the kitchen. Misty was communicating with Zerelda at the time of the odor.

E A possible EVP was recorded in the cabin bedroom of a voice saying what sounds like "I couldn't get out of it." Another possible EVP was also recorded in the cabin bedroom of a male voice saying what sounds like, "Damn, you're a woman." Perhaps we eavesdropped on a passionate moment that we shouldn't have.

E A possible EVP was recorded in Frank & Annie's bedroom of what sounded like a male voice saying, "I can feel" or giving the name of "Campfield" in the background. This was followed later by two more possible EVPs of two male voices. The first one says something that sounded like "James had eyes" in which another man responds with, "James was hung." Staff members reported feeling cold chills and cold spots during the time that they spent in Frank and Annie's bedroom.

E There were several other possible EVPs but because there were so many people in the house during the investigation, we could not rule human voices. The above EVPs all fell outside the human voice range.

Curator comments and questions will be given in green.

JOYCE

Cabin Kitchen

E I'm in the fall of the year and it is cool out. There is a heavy set man with red curly hair and a bushy beard. He has very, very dark eyes. He has dark skin from being out in the sun. I almost want to call him a red-headed Indian. He has great big hands. I can see him sitting in a chair by the fireplace. Zerelda is by the stove and he's asking questions about Frank and Jesse. She knows that they are to by home before too much longer she just doesn't know when for sure. She's upset with him. She asked him to leave and he tells her in a not very nice way that he's not leaving. He's not going to leave. He says his name is Henry. There is a nickname but I'm having trouble getting that. She knows that he's one of Pinkerton's men and she even asks him if he is and he says no. She knows he's lying to her. She has a gun over by the stove where she's at. She told him she would make him some hotcakes. Instead of hotcakes, she shoots him. She gets a hold of him and puts a blanket over him. It isn't long until Frank and Jesse come in. Frank comes to the door first. She goes out into the yard and tells them to come in. They take the man and they take him north of the house, in a low place and they bury him. They do not mark the grave. There were children in the house and she told them that she had just shot a skunk. Later on some lawmen came asking if they had seen a man that looked like this man and they said "No, they hadn't." They hid the saddle and bridle from his horse and later on sold it.

E There was another time during the winter and it was very cold and windy and blowy. Jesse and Frank were out and when they came in they had a dead man hanging over the saddle. He had tried to ambush them along the way home. There were 3 or 4 of them and they killed one of them. They brought him with them. They took him several miles away to bury him. It was a difficult job because it was so cold and there was snow on the ground.

E I can also see a little girl dancing around the fireplace who's dressed in a long dark skirt and a dark top and a bonnet. She was not killed here, just was just someone who lived here and had a lot of fun here.

E I see Jesse bringing Frank in. Frank has a head wound and his head is wrapped in a dark cloth. It looks like someone took a shirt and ripped it up strips and put around his head. It was just a bullet graze on his head.

E Frank comes in every now and then to visit this place. He just comes in and out. He's not a ghost here. Zerelda may come in and out but I haven't felt her presence yet. I was here once before and I saw Zerelda here but she's in heaven because when I saw her she had a golden light around her. It may surprise people but Jesse and Frank also have this golden light.

E Archie is the one who runs in and around the house a lot. Archie comes and goes too. He was a sweet, young lad. I will look later but I can see the night that he was hurt real bad and died.

E The yard is full of men, at least seven, there could be more.

E In the front part of the house, I'll go there later and see if I can see Annie. She was here the last time I came here because she welcomed me into the house. She was frail but she was a beautiful woman. She loved it here.

E I think something will happen around 10:00 or 10:30 that they will let us know that there are spirits present here.

E There is a whole lot more that I can go into because I keep seeing flashes and flashes of things.

E I see a black man. It's Perry, that's who that is.

E Does Zerelda welcome the fact that we have her home open to visitors? Yes. Does she know how much we respect the family? Yes. If you remember, she used this thing as a money making thing in order for them to survive. She had tours here also. So it is alright. It wasn't alright with Frank at first because when I asked Frank he turned his back on me and I couldn't get him to talk to me for awhile, but he talks now.

E Do you think they would help me, Rebecca, to understand the structure of the house because we've been told a lot of things that we are not sure are true and we want everyone to understand the house and eliminate a lot of the myths. We want to get their story correct. Yes. So she would help me? Yes. Will she help me tonight? Yes. Will she take me on a tour, room by room? Yes, if you will ask her.  Zerelda will you give me a tour of the house? Yes, maim. Thank you very much. This house is different than it was back then. The house is very different. When Jesse and Frank were little, there were only the two rooms. There was not the other rooms in the house, they were added later. There used to be a room on this house with an upstairs where Jesse was born. It's where the bedroom is now. It was hooked on to that part of the house over here and there was an upstairs to it. She says, "yes, maim." Frank was not born there. Jesse was born there. The other children were born downstairs because they were born in the winter and they had fire down here. It was always warm upstairs.

E The children were asleep the night the red-headed man was here. There has been many that have been buried on this land but she will not talk about it but it's alright if you know that. It's fine with us if they are here because they were probably going to cause the family harm. They were going to hurt them and she knew that. I never thought that Frank and Jesse were bad people. They did what they had to do to survive. To her, they were not. To me personally, they were not. It was a time of survival and a time of terrible strife. Especially for this land around here. Quantrill was not a bad man. Quantrill came here all the time and she would make him his favorite, apple pie and pancakes. He used to come here for fried eggs and pancakes.

E The barn, she said, used to sit right out there. Joyce's voice changes and she begins to channel Zerelda, speakly rapidly. The barn was right over there and we had hog barns right down here. She didn't like that hog barn right down here because she said that hog barn was too damn cold and that hog stuff would just run right down there into the stream.. She didn't like them hogs there she wanted them hogs moved down over there. That hog stuff just run right down there in the stream. Course it didn't get into the well because the well's right here. The house that used to be right out there, that's where Perry stayed. Perry was our hired man. We had Perry there. Perry was here all the time. Laurie and Perry had family too. Who are Perry's parents? Does Perry know? Does anybody know? Perry come to us from somebody young, very, very young. They always said that Perry belonged to me, but Perry didn't belong to me. Perry didn't belong to me. Perry belonged to me because Perry liked it here. He really liked it here, he liked us, he stayed with us, clear up until he died. We found records where you received money from Clay county to help take care of Perry. So we thought Perry must have been adopted by you. Yeah, yeah. He come here. We had him from the time he was little. Was he 5 years old? NO! He was a baby? He's was a baby. He was a baby. When Perry come here he was a baby. Did Charlotte bring him? Nooooo! A neighbor? No. Joyce begins to return to normal. Wait a minute here, let me look at this further. Perry's mama had him and Perry's mama died and then he had a nanny-like person for awhile and then she no longer had any milk so then they had to try to get him on a bottle and that's when Zerelda took care of him and he just stayed here. He stayed. He stayed until he died. So Perry wasn't born here on this property? Yes, yes he was. See, he was a little bit younger than Jesse so he was born here. Joyce begins to channel Zerelda again. Robert's mom and dad, they lived north, over that way. People talked about us having slaves. We did have some black people that helped us. We had them black people that helped us. We brought some of them from Kentucky when we come here. But, we paid em'. We paid em' a salary so that they could have horses and their buggy and so that they could have meat to eat. They helped on the farm so therefore they had their hogs, they had their chickens and cows and stuff that we had to eat, just like they did, but they worked. If it hadn't of been for Perry, I don't know what I'd done when my arm's blowed off, you know that was a hard time for me. You know I don't know how I ever got along but I got I got along cause I was gonna live. And we're glad you did. My family had slaves too, I don't hold that against you or your family for having slaves. No. Common men. No, we did not call them slaves. We called them our workers is what we called them. Right. They was always our workers. I understand. I got to go now. I'm tired. Will you come back? Yes. Thank you Zerelda. Arliss? After some assistance, Joyce returned to herself. I've got to go sit down.

Frank and Annie's Bedroom

E I see someone giving birth but I don't know to which one of the children and I can't tell which woman it is. It's not Zee. It might be Annie or Zerelda. I should be able to tell because Annie was real tiny and Zerelda was a large woman. They give birth in here and I do not see the child as making it. I don't see a name. I don't think the baby was far enough along for them to give it a name. I see it in the springtime, like May or June. This is at a time when I see Frank coming alone. Jesse was too small and too young to be with him. I'm seeing the farm. I'm seeing the barn, the chicken house, the pigs, the horses and I see everything like that. I see a big, huge woodpile. My mind is outside right now. I'm trying to get them to come in.

E As I come back in, I see Annie and she is older. I see her here and I see her taking care of Frank because he was ill. And I see her being ill. I see her very, very ill. I see Frank carrying her around. I see a lot of paintings with her. I didn't know that but I see a lot of drawings and paintings with her. She could have been an artist. I see her with someone who has been shot in the right shoulder, up into the deep part of the shoulder and her taking care of him. I think that's Jesse. She's helping to take care of him.

E She had one child and a miscarriage of two. She comes here. She comes in and out here as a spirit, not as a ghost. I can see her with the golden light around her. She says to tell them that I love the smell of jasmine and she liked jasmine perfume. Frank brought her some one time when he was gone. He had been to Tennessee and Kentucky to buy horses and he brought her some jasmine perfume and she was so proud of it.

E When I see her here, it's like they all come once a year to see each other here. I see her being a very gentle woman, very petite with a good disposition. She comes from money. She comes from not wealth but well-to-do people. Frank was very, very protective of her in every way.

E I see her helping with….I don't know which child it was but it was a child that had the right leg hurt really, really bad. It's bleeding. It's around the knee joint, but I don't know which child this was. It wasn't Archie. It was one of the other boys and I think his name was Henry but I'm not sure.

E I see her writing a letter and she's writing Catherine on it. Catherine Mimms and I don't know whether her mother's name was Catherine or rather her sister's name was Catherine but she's writing the name Catherine on this letter. It's to be sent by train.

E She shows me her feet. She says, "See my feet, they are little." I guess she had tiny feet and she was proud of them because she's showing me her feet.

E She wasn't here or even in this family when they hung Jesse. They hung him and burnt his feet trying to get him to say where Frank and Quantrill was. He would not say. They threatened to take him to the barn, they were going to take him into the barn and do it and then they hung him up and burnt his feet and rode off. Zerelda went out and cut him down and carried him in and she doctored his feet. He had rope burns on his neck. He had been shot many times. I don't know how many times, but many times.

E Annie says that she loved being a wife and she loved being a mother. She loved being in the family even though it was very scary. I don't get a lot from Annie because she's a very private person. She doesn't like to talk about the things of the family. Will she talk to you about her life after Frank was dead? It was very difficult, very hard. Very cold, very lonely. Robert would come and see her as often as he could. He went as a businessman. Everybody wants to know how she kept her beautiful black hair. She just washed it with lye soap like everybody else did back then and it just stayed the way it was. She was a very good seamstress. She could play the piano. She was very musically inclined. How did she get to the outhouse after her eyes starting giving her trouble? She knew how many steps it was from her house, which direction to go and she had them to put up like posts, like a line to the outhouse. She also had someone that stayed with her part time. It was a neighbor woman by the name of Long or Longtree or something like that. I can hear the name but I'm not hearing it clearly. She would come in to see her and to help her. Did she get along with Zerelda or will she tell you that? Yes. She got along with Zerelda. She was very quiet but Zerelda was very outspoken, very straight forward. She said she always knew where Zerelda stood on any kind of issue. Were Annie and Zee good friends? Yes, Annie loved Zee. When they were in Tennessee and Kentucky they were good friends. Very good friends together and helped each other. Jesse and Frank would argue some but Zee and Annie never did. They thought a lot of each other.

E There is so much history here on this land. So many that were killed here. So many that were hurt here. So many that were buried here. All over the 200 some acres, there's just dotted places of people being buried. Will Annie tell when or where her and Frank were married? They were married at a friends house just like Jesse and Zee were. It was in Independence but her mother and father did not attend. Her father did not approve of it. Was it a friend of a relative? Yes. A friend and a relative she says. They both helped with the wedding. Female friend? Yes. Female friend and Frank went along with whatever she wanted.

E I can see different places of robberies, I can see things that have to do with the men and she doesn't like to talk about those things. She never talked about them. She just does not like to talk about it. Was she afraid? Yes. In fact she was very, very afraid. Afraid of them getting caught, afraid of what they would do to her and Robert and afraid of what they would do to the rest of the family. She was a quiet person and did not want to talk. She definitely did not talk about a lot of the stuff that she KNEW Frank and Jesse did. She just did not mention it.

E There's a place called Blackwater and she says you do not talk about Blackwater. She will never tell me about Blackwater. I know there is a place of Blackwater, I don't know where, but something terrible happened there and she would never tell me what and neither would Jess or Frank. In Missouri? In Missouri, yes. She says you do not talk about it and you do not mention it.

E It was as easy here as it was anywhere, other than being in town where you might have had some running water. It was okay to live here because she thought the house was good. But, it began to fall apart before she died…it was beginning to fall down.

E Was she fond of her daughter-in-law? Robert's wife? Yes, she always babied Robert a lot and she knew she did, but yes, the daughter-in-law was all right. Not someone she'd want to pick for Robert but she did tolerate it. What was her feeling when they got divorced? She did not like that because that was unheard of. And….she didn't like it when Robert was with other women. That was not right for him to do that. But she did take up for Robert to Robert's wife.

E Did she ever say anything about Frank? No. What Frank was Frank's business. She knew what Frank was when she married him and she stayed married to him because she loved Frank. She did not approve of the things he did. He did keep a lot of things from her but she did not approve of the things that he did.

E Did they ever have another child? No. She had the one and that was all. I do not see her with a 2^nd pregnancy. I do not think that she could have any more. I think something happened when she had Robert. He lived to be old. Robert did. I see 1968 or 1969 when he died. I don't know. Curator corrected Joyce and said that it was 1959.

E What did she think when her son married a Catholic? Was that a problem? She didn't like it too good but it was alright if that is what Robert wanted, then it was alright. Back then they separated themselves among the Baptists, Catholics and such much more than they do now.

E I can go into a lot of gruesome details about some of the things they did and robberies and so forth but I really don't want to. That's all in the past and has nothing to do with the house and it having spirits in it.

E Who is the strongest spirit that you feel here? Frank. Will he say anything? No, Frank won't say anything. He might quote Shakespeare for you but I don't want him to do that through me. (laugh). That's all I can see right now. If you have more questions later, you can ask me then. Everything is good. Annie was a good cook, she was a good wife, mother. She loved Frank, she wanted to stay with him. She didn't approve of a lot of the stuff Frank did so she finally just quit asking questions. She just went along with him and whatever he wanted to do. That's about all she has to say except "Welcome to her home" and she welcomes everyone here. She thinks it's wonderful that the house is being fixed up and preserved. When she died, she truly thought the house would not be preserved. That it would die out with the rest of them.

E Does she know that we're getting ready to do some more work to the house? Yeah. She's okay with that. She's okay with whatever you want to do as long as you try to keep it authentic. The furniture wasn't really good. They didn't have good enough furniture but it was okay for back then. After they got the new part of the house on, then they had better furniture in it. We're trying to take care of all of her stuff. To her, that's wonderful and I'm going to quit now.

Cabin Kitchen

E Two kids, a young woman and two men. The older woman is not here, she's out back. I feel back out this way was where the washing was done because I see the older woman doing the laundry.

E I feel 2 children, a man and a woman and another man in here.

E There was some kind of fight that happened. Does the last name Edwards mean anything to anybody? What did he have to do with the James' brothers? There was an argument. Edwards is the 2^nd man I'm seeing. John Emmett Edwards was Jesse and Frank's publicist. He rode with Shelby through the Civil War, he was a newspaper man. He's the one that wrote and published all the articles the James' boys were not wanting to be responsible for certain crimes. What was the argument about? I never heard about them getting into an argument, now John Emmett Edwards drank a lot. He came here and there was a dispute about something. John Edwards is the one who arranged the surrender of Frank to Crittenton. Edwards was a drunk but he was very much a supporter of the Southern Cause and the James boys. There was an argument or discussion about something between Jesse and him. He came here. There were 2 kids here, Jesse's wife and the older woman out back. Maybe it had something to do with his drinking but there was an argument that took place outside. It started inside and then went outside. Possibly over some money. Something he wasn't doing that he should have been doing. Brenda suggested that the presences of the reporters may have prompted this particular memory from Jesse.

E When I went outside, I felt that someone had been hung around here. Dr. Reuben Samuels was hung on the property by the Union troops. I don't know where the tree stood because it blew down in the 1930's. Give me a second and I'll tell you where the tree was. When I headed towards the bathroom is when I felt there was a hanging out there. It was out by the barn.

E There was a baby lost. Somebody lost a child. I hear a baby. Was it one of the servants? No.

E Jesse's mother is in here. Zelda? She seems upset with something about Jesse. There used to be a bed over there by the wall. There used to be another window on the back wall of the kitchen. Either another window or another doorway, something he could look out of. Jesse stayed mostly in this room when he'd come home. He'd run in and out. Jesse always kept where he could see what was going on outside. He was mostly worried about things coming from the west than he was from any other direction. There is a room off the porch but to my knowledge there is no documentation of a window being on that wall.

E Zerelda lost 4 kids? She lost 2 to chicken pox? I'm also feeling some black servants. Two females, one of them had children, she had 2 children. They are all buried to the north. Were there servant quarters out that way?

E Who is Lindsay May? I don't recall seeing that name on any records. She had two children? We know that there were children. The only name one that we know of is Charlotte that had children. There was another one and this one had two children. Lindsey May or Lizzy May.

E I keep wanting to say there was a window on that west wall and Jesse had a twin bed there. There could have been but we don't have any pictures from that side of the house. We did have a picture from the 1970's when there was a twin bed in here. No, it's further back than that. Jesse always wanted to be behind a door when it opened. We knew people slept in here but we thought it was Charlotte . Jesse wanted to know what was coming from the west and he always wanted to be behind the doors. If you open this door, does it open to the inside? Yes. Does this other door open to the inside? Yes. He liked being by this north door, his shotgun was right beside him. I'm not sure what he's trying to tell me.

E Jesse had 2 children? Yes he did. 4 total, only 2 lived. Did you know he had a 5^th one? No. Yes, he did. He has a 5^th one. Not by Zee? No. This is from a place where he had stayed with a woman. Did he know about that child? Yes he did. Did that child live in Texas? Yes.

E Will Jesse let me ask him some questions. Sure. Is Jesse here now? He's over by that north door. This child of his, was it born in Sherman,Texas? Oklahoma. When was this child born? He doesn't know exactly when because he didn't find out about her until she was about 4 years old, 4 or 5 years old. Did this union take place during the Civil War? Shortly after, towards the end. Like in the early spring of 1865? It was when he was sick. I thought he was in Nebraska when he was sick from his gunshot wound, not Oklahoma. No, it's not from that. Not from the gunshot wound. Before he was shot? Yes. Was he coming back from Texas after he stayed there for the winter? Was he in Sherman with Quantrill? Yes, but he was sick. When was he sick? He said he was sick. Jesse got shot twice. He was sick from both gunshot wounds. Like pneumonia? Well, we know he had a lung infection. Okay, because I'm feeling like pneumonia. She took care of him. He was in Oklahoma. Southern Oklahoma, near Texas? Close, yes. So was it Indian Territory? Yes. She's probably Indian. He has a daughter that was part Indian. Does that daughter have children? Yes. Are they still alive today? Yes. One is still alive today. Male or female? It's a daughter, female. Did she ever use the name James? No. Did she ever have relations with the James family? No, that's been lost because the young girl stayed on the reservation. The grandparents took her back to the reservation. Did Zee know about this child? No. Did Jesse love his children? Yes. Was Jesse really going to buy a Franfarm in Nebraska ? No. So Platte City wasn't going to be his last property? Nope. "It was in the soul to be restless," he said. Do you have any more questions for him? Not right now.

E They used this room quite a bit. This was the common room. I see a lot of sitting around. Annie loved kids. I see her with 2 children but she only raised one but then I see 3 or 4 other children around her but they weren't hers. Well Jesse and Zee had children and Robert and his wife had children. Interviews with family members remembered Annie as a child. They loved coming out here, they loved being a family. I can see her telling stories to the kids and doing some sewing and something like needlepoint. Yes, she did tatting. We have lots of her tatting. She was very good at it. I don't feel her as much in the other areas of the house as I do in this part of the house. This is where she liked to stay the most. When things were going on with Jesse, she would pull away from that. She didn't want to be involved. She didn't want to know anything or anything that was going on. Did she and Jesse have a good relationship? At first they did and yes, they did but it was one where she didn't want to be real involved with what was going on. How old are you seeing her right now?